X-rays with a DY86

The DY86 (DY87, DY802) vacuum rectifier was used in most European black and white tube television sets. In hot-cathode mode, it was capable of rectifying up to 18 kilovolts at 0.5 mA. In cold-cathode mode, however, it withstands 40 kilovolts DC inverse for a short time, while providing some soft X-ray radiation enough to set classic Geiger counters off.

DY86DY86, Tungsram production

As mentioned above, this tube withstands great abuse to its limiting values, this is thanks to the internal simplicity of construction. I have tried numerous low-powered (not to melt the tube, that’s why) high voltage drivers for experiments with this; ranging from single-transistor flyback drivers, AC-flyback multiplier supplies, to resonant DST-flyback drivers. With a great deal of experimentation, the maximum voltage in cold-cathode mode is something over 45 kilovolts DC at forward direction, while producing lesser X-ray output and heating the anode more, because of greater current draw.
A much better result is at reverse polarity (something over 40 kilovolts DC allowed, before sparks start to crawl along the glass base). This consumes less current and provides somewhat more soft X-rays to be detected. You can also see the cathode glow white hot. 🙂 Not a single damn was given, who would use a rectifier like this nowadays.

DY86 in reverse, 40 kilovolts DCDY86 @ 40 kV in reverse polarity
Exposure 1 sec, notice corona near the anode



In forward polarity (regulated resonant HV supply). Glows more, emits less.

Unfortunately, the radiation output is not enough to make radiographs or anything somewhat interesting. I had prepared some intensifying screens and a camera set to a few second exposure (5 to 10), however despite setting all my Geigers off ticking and maybe some random photon particles, hitting the CCD sensor, were noticed in long-exposure photos afterwards (as random colorful dots, “bad pixels”), it was not possible to make x-ray photos this way.
To get some pictures from this setup, one would need longer exposures, like a minute or so, to a photosensitive film in a dark room, then developing it afterwards. But instead of doing this, I had already advanced to better X-ray setups at that time. 🙂



Measuring radiation intensity with an IT-65, in both polarities

 



Endurance test with low voltage, from a different supply  – not enough to create X-rays
Notice the occasional Geiger counter ticks – just a slight deviation from atmospheric radiation.

 

8 Responses for X-rays with a DY86

  1. Me says:

    Hi there, GREAT SITE. i have always wondered if a stungun/taser could generate x-rays…. Well enough to illuminate a flouroscope? Maybee run a hv rectifier tube , cold cathode reverse bias. Atun guns produce 100kv-1MV, and sure would be safer than a lot of hv supplies, tho i imagine you would need a lot more current than a taser could supply.

    • Jozef says:

      Nope, stun guns have a small flyback inverter that produces up to 20-25 kV peaks, not more. Besides, the spark gap of the “taser” actually limits the voltage (the distance between the electrodes in air makes the spark strike). “100kV-1MV” is just marketing bullcrap.

      Regards

  2. Hello. That is very good. Geiger counter goes off. Nice work. I am not new in chemistry and physics. But i need your help. I bought one DY86 tube. But i don’t have enought time and money for making a power supply like yours. Can i use my Marx Generator? That produces 30kv-100kv. I will use it in mineral oil so i have a flourescent paper from hospital. I need to power DY86 for minimum 1 minute for making good pictures. Is it okay to use marx generator? Thank you

    • Jozef says:

      If you have a marx, your best bet would be a flash x-ray tube.
      You won’t get sharp pictures with a tube like this though. Also, you will need a photosensitive paper, developing it afterwards – I highly doubt you are going to produce enough radiation to make pictures in realtime.

    • So i will find a classic x-ray tube and i will power it directly with marx generator like you said. I don’t want to damage xray tube (when i get it) and my marx generator. Can it be possible to damage xray tube with 60kv and current smaller than 500A? Thank you for your reply

    • Jozef says:

      Nope. Either build or get a constant-wave power supply, in conjunction with a hot cathode X-ray tube, or if you want your Marx of any use, get a flash x-ray tube.

      “Can it be possible to damage xray tube with 60kv and current smaller than 500A”
      I think not, 30 megawatts of input power is nothing… with regards on how the sentence is put 🙂

    • Sorry for 30 MW question 😀 I found a lot of sized 6 xray casettes and some films. I will be faceless and ask them for giving an old xray power supply and tube or just a flash xray tube from dentals 😀 Thank you for your help

    • Jozef says:

      Good luck. If all else fails, there are a couple of high voltage supplies’ schematics right on this page.

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